Commentaries to the article
the "application of a projective picturesque procedure" the nonexistent animal "for the determination TIM."

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Article to me seemed by interesting, first of all, because the authors in many respects repeat my own studies by 95-97 it is annual. Pravda I investigated then not figures, but the external signs of people. Although were conducted the observations also of the characteristics of the creation of people of different types - picture, figures, photos and video.

As far as to me it is known, in this article is described the first from the moment of creating my site in 2001 the more- less serious study by sotsionikami of external it is indicative types. I think, strongly I will not be mistaken, after assuming that 4 one of a few sotsionikov (if not only), who can give connected design commentaries to this article in the essence, and not on the form. In contrast to the rest, to me there is, with which to compare. 4 already it passed in the direction, which the authors of a study indicate, and practical results in the form of the procedure of typing according to the external signs were obtained. Therefore all signs, described in the article, by me are already opened, in detail described and, moreover, they are checked in practice. With this 4 I want no one to charge with the plagiarism, each researcher goes by his way, it is not important that its way sometimes repeats someone's still.

Certainly, the authors, accomplish typical sotsionicheskiye errors. First of all, this incorrect understanding of the content of sotsionicheskikh functions. However, it is felt, that the authors have certain experience of practical typing and observation of the people with the accurately specific types. And this them saves from the sliding down in the clean theoretization on the theme "types they are such, by what 4 they to itself imagined", so by many sotsionikami. 4 I am not the customer of this study, and it is not familiar with the authors. However, many ideas and observations of the authors, as is evident are below, they will be coordinated with my. This objectively confirms the reality of the connection of external it is indicative and Tim. Therefore it was wanted to give to me detailed commentaries to this article.

Further my commentaries are given this color, and quotation from the article by such. For the correct understanding I recommend to at first become acquainted with the original text of article, and then to read my commentaries. With the appearance of difficulties with the running off of the original write me, I will send the complete version of article with the figures all to those desiring free of charge (file rar of 530 KB).

I specially transposed quotations, after grouping them in accordance with my understanding of external it was indicative for oblegchneniya of their comparison with the appropriate group it was indicative from the procedure of typing according to the external signs.


the Sensorika- intuition

Everything in the manner that must be, with the given  signs is agreeable. In this case the main sign, which I would propose for the estimation:
Completeness (Sen.)- incompleteness (Int.) means.
Fig. 1  this one can see well. Leftist (bear) has the closed outline, right (snake) opened, extended.

Examples the sensorika- intuition:

"in the characters of etikov-intuitov are frequently drawn the very thin extremities, unworkable, body is not finished; or disappears the part of the body, which there is in the remaining figures. The nature of work itself frequently incomprehensible, they sometimes simply stand and they await "

IEI "is characteristic the instability (animal it skips, it goes upward tangentially). Or the special attention is paid to the support: it as if is caught for the invisible support by claws, fingers, edges of clothing, fearing it to lose. One additional favorite character - the "flying cow"

"by intuitami (in one case it is possible to note the illegible boundaries of bodies, a certain" nonviability "of characters; in other - a descriptive- symbolic number of figure)."

"or Iee and ILE do depict as several primes amusing zveryushku, which does look at something that not determined, that represents the object of work (to make? Or not to make? And from what end?)."
This CHI

"figures are frequently done very rapidly, by one flourish."
Intuition

Eie "in the majority of figures, from the monsters to the mul'tyashnogo sunbeam reflection, attention attract the eyes (them too much, they are especially are thoroughly traced and with the like.)

IEI "frequently sketch sharfiki or grivki on the neck."
BI. The same must be characteristically also for Eie

"the differences, connected with the the sensorikoy and the intuition, are more noticeable on an entire series of the figures: for example, the intuition of time in the position of the leading or creative function determines the high degree of picturesqueness of figure, the presence of symbolic images."

"the intuition of possibilities in the position of the leading or creative function is manifested in the presence of additional organs (moustaches, antennas), and also in the originality of means."

"Logician- sensors find in the direct contact with the object of work, depict the tools of every kind, their work brings practical result."

"usually they do not dream, but they depict that the fact that person himself loves and knows how to make (to sew, to plane, to saw, to write thesis)."
This is sensorika

"frequently are encountered the symbolic images: for example, animal dreams, fantasy in the form of balls and patterns; the author of figure - teacher - she spoke about the mentioned colors: "these are my children, they grow and depart"."
This is  the intuition

"symbolic images also be present ("to bear light to people "," it catches information from space")."
"figures Eie frequently as" imitate "figures LIE (business logic in the role function), but in this case in the very fulfillment of work there is some irregularity: animal has too long paws, holds object not from that end and the like."
And this is also the intuition

Logika-3tika

In my view, unjustified generalization: "functional details and organs, tools", assigned to logicians. These signs according to my observations much more frequently are encountered in sensorikov.

The leading sign here 4  would formulate as follows:
the angularity of (l) - wave-like shape (3).
In logicians it is more than straight lines and clear straight lines or close to them it is angular. But lines to a considerable degree are bent, asymmetrical in etikov. In the privedenykh figures this also one can see well. Fig 3 almost lifeless cube, fig 4 have illegible form.
It is completely agreeable with the remaining signs of this division.

Also thinking - logic tag, but as a whole, without taking into account vertnosti of function.

Examples Logika-3tika:

IEI "in practice are not used straight lines, even angles everywhere round offed."

"ILE and THE LEAHS frequently depict the intellectual activity (it reads, he thinks) or the state of pensive readiness for the work (it sits essence it looks, for example, at the shovel)."

"ethics on the average map onto figure" the circle of friends "the positive feelings (in the figures many smiles, it is color), frequently contact on the close distance. Especially close solid contact, embrace - in SEI. Frequently in "ethical" animals increase ears, mouth is opened (increased talkativeness in the company). In types with the strong ethics of emotions are shown the more diverse expressions of the snouts of "friends"

Intro-versionextraversion

4 it is not confident, that this sign it is possible with the accuracy to diagnose even according to qualitative figures. Thus far 4 such signs did not find, although I do not exclude that it exists. All signs of extra -introversii, which I study at the given moment, give at best of 50% entry. Thus far my observation is such: one and the same person depending on state can draw both completely ekstravertnyy figure and completely introvertnyy.

Of those all given  by the authors it is indicative in my observations more frequently it coincides "where inverted. Pose."

"speed is the lower rate of fulfillment, smaller volume in the same time. Rapidity of fulfillment and/or larger volume in the same time."
This sign does not work, since it depends on the type and on the state: sensory introvert can pass intuitive ekstraverta and vice versa.

Protrusions for the outline of figure 4 it did not observe, will have to study

the Rationality- irrationality

"outline, contour line are clearly traced, line single. Impression of the perfection of figure (NB: but corrections in the figures are encountered). Outline is not locked or traced illegibly. The dual, greased or illegible lines more frequently are encountered. Impression of the incompleteness of figure."

Alas- alas. Perfection - this 100% sign SENSORIKI. 4 it it described above. The adoption of perfection for the rationality the typical error, which accomplish many sotsioniki.

Unfortunately, according to my observations, situation with nal'nost'yu is approximately the same as with vertnost'yu - this is the "floating" sign, which clearly you will not determine according to figures, here everything depends on type and state

ARISTOCRAT- DEMOCRATS

I do not undertake to comment on, since I consider the signs Of reynina second with respect to the tipnym properties and therefore by very difficult for the practical use.

Generalities for it is indicative the concrete functions

It is confident, that according to figures in principle it is not possible to determine the precise position of function in the model A. takaya the point of view of the authors of procedure rather shows the adoption by them of that desired for the real. The tipnye manifestations of vsegda-vsegda (!) are distorted by subtype and numerous masks, and most important, by the current state of man. Moreover THE DEGREE of this distortion IS NOT PREDICTED (!). Therefore, even if someone once and is succeeded in creating the system of tying it is indicative figures to the cells of model A, then this tying will be at best of ochen'-ochen' of that of strongly "floating". Taking this into account I can give only general commentaries to the signs of the functions, which can soak only approximately divide functions into the "weak" and "strong".

An inaccuracy in the represented descriptions is caused even and by the fact that by the authors they are described only by 6 of by the eighth of functions. Ess- but, the remained 2 functions, as this usually is in the sotsionicheskikh descriptions, are smoothly "spread" according to the existing descriptions 6- TI of functions.

EKSTRAVERTNAYA SENSORIKA

For the manifestations strong CHS the leading part plays not aggression itself, but level of force and confidence in itself as such. Aggression is only an special case of the sensation of its own force. Aggression also can to a considerable degree reflect strong Che. Accordingly, all examples, accentuated on the aggression to a considerable degree can be signs Che, but not CHS.

4 would isolate as the leading sign CHS  - these are  the size of the animal, the volume of space, that occupies image. Also as particular index CHS can serve muskulistost', power, force. Accordingly, the presence and the quality of the parts of the body, which correspond for these functions. On the whole the idea about the claws, the paws and so forth is accurate, it is necessary to only separate it in each case from the aggression.

Examples CHS:

"in many figures LSI be present the clearly expressed, sometimes emphasized by inscriptions signs of the aggression: canine teeth, incisors, teeth, horn, as the minimum there is compulsorily the pair of sharp it is angular."

however, "figures See as figures Iee, not by others you will entangle with whom. First, their favorite characters - this of any kind dragons, draw, trolli, alpha, in other words, evil (frequently with the wings). In this case the presence of teeth, canine teeth, claws does not interfere with glad smiles, but snout in animals very likable. Animal large itself, clear, well traced."

"beasts SLI are large, are puzaten'kiye, with the durable support (usually four-footed, they sit or they lie)."

"figure can be the game of several it is semantic or the personified metaphor. Example: "animal at the work" - girl- woman journalist (ILE) depicts the tiger, that tears off head to the doll of new Russian."

"frequently in the animal, whose author possesses strong business logic, many additional extremities, moreover different."

INTROVERTNAYA SENSORIKA

Sign BS - these are by themselves the images of surfaces - exterior form, beauty, smoothness. Convenience is only an special case. Therefore sign BS is determined first of all by the quality of figure itself and unit, depicted on it. One of the bright are indicative "fluffiness", "pleasantness" of it by feel. Also food, satiety, fatness.

It is furthermore necessary to separate this sign from Che  - the expression of mood - evil, merry, etc.

Examples BS:

"leisure, cosiness, which was rolled up by ball"

"in characters ESE half of troubles is connected with the food (they ate something not that)."

"frequently is the sick animal thinner, than rest."
Although this can be and intuition.

"they bend in the unthinkable poses, lose pieces themselves, they are pulled down, are obtained injuries."
Here BS in the mixture with CHS.

"the favorite character OF SEI - essence with the dense small carcass and the long bent neck, usually with the veil, the bangs, the downy ears and the like usually these essences stand to all four paws or they lie."

"many beasts ESE anthropomorphous, are well depicted sensory organs, the wide smile and the presence of the decorating details is usual. The food in the most diverse light is encountered in many figures. Animal usually very downy and rounded, but being not in the mood (at the work or in anger), grow bald and grow thin."

EKSTRAVERTNAYA LOGIC

WORK - THIS VNETIPNO!

"in logicians animal usually is completely submerged in the work, it is not disposed to the external communication, now and then even it does not have mouth"
Hardly. Work - this very general concept, any depicted in figure activity generally can treat as work. Therefore work itself nothing speaks about the type. This is only the reflection of the state of man at the moment of compiling figure. By it it is possible to judge only that, how it is operational at the given moment.

In reality, MEMBER - this is MASS. Certain quantity of connected with each other uniform elements. Therefore the leading sign MEMBERS - massiveness of object, and also a quantity of uniform details and elements.  Perhaps, only Fig. 6 this sign vividly presents

Examples THE MEMBERS:

"another form of image - this is thoroughly the traced essence with many fine, identical details, usually in the scale, the crust, the armor. It usually appears very realistically, even if it depicts the character of the film of horrors."

LSE "is frequently traced a number of identical plumelets"

"are depicted the parts of the body or the objects, which consist of the identical segments."

"for LSE characteristically so complete a confluence with the object of work, which its object (table, computer, the wash board) x-rays through animal itself." 

INTROVERTNAYA LOGIC

BL - these are the structure of figure, the connection of its details with each other.

"structural logic is manifested as the construction of systems, it is running, complex turrets, pyramids; the presence of clear geometric forms (rectangular bricks)."
It is agreeable completely.

"reckless involvement" in LIE etcetera on this theme vnetipno.

EKSTRAVERTNAYA ETHICS

Che, as 4 it already indicated above - this of emotion by themselves, mood, the state of man. It to determine according to figures most simply, it is necessary to only isolate emotional component of animal.

"IEI, in addition to this, they are inclined to depict the creative creative labor (it plants flowers and they here they grow, it sketches picture)."
Vnetipno, these are work is as such.

"Ethics- sensors are occupied in essence by the work, connected with the house, by the way of life: they wash, prepare, bind, they pour on flowers, dig beds and so forth these themes are clearly reflected in ESI and be present in the remaining representatives of club. In ESE and SEI in essence in the figures is present the food: animals eat, cook porridge, bear food or obtain it. When people depict their real work after the computer, near it usually stands the cup or candy lies. In the figures See are extended also the motives of the illegal activity, general with Iee: fox drags hen from the chicken coop, animal steals honey from gorshochka, or the same fox is depicted in the form of prostitute and the like (Fig. 18)"
Yes, it is agreeable, although this already of the characteristic of concrete types and clubs.

"it is necessary to note that the figures of two representatives of types with the general leading function can be very similar, differences will lie at the field of creative function"
It is agreeable.

"let us explain based on example. Let us assume LSE and LIE depict, as by hammer they nail. In the figure the same ardor, the same motion and speed. But in this case in LSE hammer holds in the paw woolly zveryuga of very realistic form, and character LIE... itself became hammer with the eyes and the nose!"
Class example! : -)

Examples Che:

"character IEI -" domovenok Of kuzya "or small" snegovichok ", with the expressive mine on face."

"their energy is transferred in the figure in the form of the twisted spring (be it chair on the spring or tail)."

INTROVERTNAYA ETHICS

Be -  this of relation. Ess- but in order it to show, it is necessary to depict not one, but the minimum two objects, and to show their relation to each other. It is more frequent more. Therefore B3- figures are more frequent group. Image of someone in to the circle of friends the most frequent example of strong ethics. Examples on this theme are sufficiently successful.

"in this case in Iee in the figure had much more than the confusion, expressed in the double lines, blackenings, corrections, than ILE."
But must be vice versa... this the difference between Be in TNS in ILE and in 2-ke in Iee


GENERAL SIGNS

"pleasant emotions and close distance in the contact of the logical types most of all are characteristic OF LIE
Unpleasant (distrust, hostility) - to the logicians -negativistam: SLE, OR, LEAHS. It is expressed as empty, without the pupil, eyes, different kind of protection in the figure."
Furthermore, everything depends on the current state of man, which can everything change with an accuracy to vice versa. And the pleasantness of emotions and solid distance can strongly differ in two LIE in the different state.

"as it was already noted earlier, in this figure is reflected also the sign aristocrat- Democrats (for example, in Iee everything in the caps they conduct round-dance, and one - without the cap it is banished from the company)"
Vnetipno, depends on mask and state first of all,  and also  in many respects from the training, the intellect  and the views of man.

"the differences, connected with the the sensorikoy and the intuition, are more noticeable on an entire series of the figures: for example, the intuition of time in the position of the leading or creative function determines the high degree of picturesqueness of figure, the presence of symbolic images. Plant and aqueous motives frequently are encountered. Usually these are real plants, but a kind of the pattern, the background for the figure, mapping emotional state."
Besides picturesqueness, remaining vnetipno.

"it is characteristic that ESI, LSI, SLE more frequent than others rejected the testing, that, probably, it is connected with the fear of unexpected contingencies, the fear to somehow in a new way themselves appear, with uncertainty in its creative possibilities."
Assumptions. This wholly depends on man and his current state.

"it is frequently sufficient two of these components. Example: it is distinctly evident according to figures that they are drawn by man with the strong ekstravertnoy ethics (very emotional, with the thin nuances of emotions and with the large number of locks, adornments), in this case in "sick animal" strong anxiety, hostility, in animal, as physicians speak, the "incompatible with the life damages" - sensorika of sensations in the third function. Even without takeing into account remaining signs, it can be assumed that the figures are made by man of the type Eie."
It is agreeable about Che, but here so not all is simple with the sickliness, this can be and the state

CONCLUSIONS:

"takeing into account high efficiency and objective nature of this procedure, we recommend it as the basic for the determination TIM."
Alas- alas, the procedure of typing according to figures cannot pretend to the accuracy of determination of the type, since it is projective and in many respects it is limited by the degree of the desire of the author of figure to samovyrazhat'sya. However clearly were manifested tipnye signs in the figure and how precise not would be the obtained criteria, if men did not draw everything, which could and wanted, or consciously distorted image,  but first generally it forewent the testing, then procedure will not operate. Therefore as  the basic this procedure to recommend there is no sense. I think, its accuracy theoretically must not exceed 70%. I do not think that any  study they can actually increase this limit. It auxiliary in the essence and will not be able to become basic under no conditions.

From other side, I is completely  agreeable  with the fact that "the comparison method according to all figures makes it possible to reduce a quantity" of questionable "cases and existing versions. If a series of figures does not give a sufficient information, version can be checked by the method of interview (as a rule, appears not more than 2-3 versions)"

"thus, we can analyze figures the minimum on three components: 1. from the point of view of the dichotomies
2. from the point of view of aspects. 3. And on the preferences, characteristic for each type."
Yes, it is agreeable and still it is possible to add the 4th point - on the clubs. For example, the figures of sensory- logical types vividly are differed from intuitive etikov. Generally, the analysis of figures in many respects is similar to the procedure of typing according to the external signs

The given by the authors examples, which characterize separate types, by themselves are interesting. However, in the absence of the guarantees of the accuracy of determination of the type of the authors of figures they thus far - only valuable observations.

Enormous thanks to the authors for the accomplished work!

With the respect,
Tipolog

03.05.2003